Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, “How long will it take for the vision to be fulfilled—the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, the surrender of the sanctuary and the trampling underfoot of the LORD’s people?” New Living Translation Then I heard two holy ones talking to each other. One of them asked, “How long will the events of this vision last? How long will the rebellion that causes desecration stop the daily sacrifices? How long will the Temple and heaven’s army be trampled on?” English Standard Version Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to the one who spoke, “For how long is the vision concerning the regular burnt offering, the transgression that makes desolate, and the giving over of the sanctuary and host to be trampled underfoot?” Berean Standard Bible Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, “How long until the fulfillment of the vision of the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, and the surrender of the sanctuary and of the host to be trampled?” King James Bible Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? New King James Version Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, “How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?” New American Standard Bible Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to that particular one who was speaking, “How long will the vision about the regular sacrifice apply, while the offense causes horror, so as to allow both the sanctuary and the army to be trampled?” NASB 1995 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to that particular one who was speaking, “How long will the vision about the regular sacrifice apply, while the transgression causes horror, so as to allow both the holy place and the host to be trampled?” NASB 1977 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to that particular one who was speaking, “How long will the vision about the regular sacrifice apply, while the transgression causes horror, so as to allow both the holy place and the host to be trampled?” Legacy Standard Bible Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to that particular one who was speaking, “How long will the vision about the regular sacrifice apply, while the transgression causes desolation, so as to allow both the holy place and the host to be trampled?” Amplified Bible Then I heard a holy one (angel) speaking, and another holy one said to the one who was speaking, “How much time will be required to complete the vision regarding the regular sacrifice, the transgression that brings horror, and the trampling underfoot of both the sanctuary and the host [of the people]?” Christian Standard Bible Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to the speaker, “How long will the events of this vision last —the regular sacrifice, the rebellion that makes desolate, and the giving over of the sanctuary and of the army to be trampled? ” Holman Christian Standard Bible Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to the speaker, “How long will the events of this vision last—the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that makes desolate, and the giving over of the sanctuary and of the host to be trampled?” American Standard Version Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said unto that certain one who spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the continual burnt-offering, and the transgression that maketh desolate, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? Contemporary English Version Then one of the holy angels asked another, "When will the daily sacrifices be offered again? What about this horrible rebellion? When will the temple and heaven's army no longer be trampled in the dust?" English Revised Version Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said unto that certain one which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the continual burnt offering, and the transgression that maketh desolate, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? GOD'S WORD® Translation Then I heard a holy one speaking. Another holy one said to the one who was speaking, "How long will the things in this vision-the daily burnt offering, the destructive rebellion, the surrender of the holy place, and the trampling of the army-take place?" Good News Translation Then I heard one angel ask another, "How long will these things that were seen in the vision continue? How long will an awful sin replace the daily sacrifices? How long will the army of heaven and the Temple be trampled on?" International Standard Version "Then I heard one holy person speaking, and another holy person addressed the one who was speaking: 'In the vision about the regular burnt offering, how much time elapses while the desecration terrifies and both the Holy Place and the Heavenly Army are trampled?' Majority Standard Bible Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, ?How long until the fulfillment of the vision of the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, and the surrender of the sanctuary and of the host to be trampled?? NET Bible Then I heard a holy one speaking. Another holy one said to the one who was speaking, "To what period of time does the vision pertain--this vision concerning the daily sacrifice and the destructive act of rebellion and the giving over of both the sanctuary and army to be trampled?" New Heart English Bible Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who spoke, "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression that makes desolate, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled?" Webster's Bible Translation Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said to that certain saint who spoke, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? World English Bible Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who spoke, “How long will the vision about the continual burnt offering, and the disobedience that makes desolate, to give both the sanctuary and the army to be trodden under foot be?” Literal Translations Literal Standard VersionAnd I hear a certain holy one speaking, and a certain holy one says to the wonderful numberer who is speaking: Until when [is] the vision of the continual [sacrifice], and of the transgression, an astonishment, to make a treading down of both sanctuary and host? Young's Literal Translation And I hear a certain holy one speaking, and a certain holy one saith to the wonderful numberer who is speaking: Till when is the vision of the continual sacrifice, and of the transgression, an astonishment, to make both sanctuary and host a treading down? Smith's Literal Translation And I shall hear one holy one speaking, and one holy one will say to a certain one, speaking, How long the vision of the continuance, and the transgression laying waste, to be? and the holy place and the army being trodden down? Catholic Translations Douay-Rheims BibleAnd I heard one of the saints speaking, and one saint said to another, I know not to whom that was speaking: How long shall be the vision, concerning the continual sacrifice, and the sin of the desolation that is made: and the sanctuary, and the strength be trodden under foot? Catholic Public Domain Version And I heard one of the holy ones speaking, and one saint said to another, (I know not to whom he was speaking,) “What is the extent of the vision, and the continual sacrifice, and the sin of the desolation, which has happened, and of the sanctuary and the strength, which will be trampled?” New American Bible I heard a holy one speaking, and another said to whichever one it was that spoke, “How long shall the events of this vision last concerning the daily sacrifice, the desolating sin, the giving over of the sanctuary and the host for trampling?” New Revised Standard Version Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to the one that spoke, “For how long is this vision concerning the regular burnt offering, the transgression that makes desolate, and the giving over of the sanctuary and host to be trampled?” Translations from Aramaic Lamsa BibleThen I heard a saint speaking, and another saint said to that certain saint who spoke, How long shall be the vision concerning the continual sacrifice, and how soon will the iniquity and corruption be over and the holy thing and host be trodden under foot? Peshitta Holy Bible Translated And I heard one Holy One who spoke, and another Holy One said to the one who spoke: “How long is the vision of the faith and the evil and the corruption to be finished, and holiness and the host will be trodden down?” OT Translations JPS Tanakh 1917Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said unto that certain one who spoke: 'How long shall be the vision concerning the continual burnt-offering, and the transgression that causes appalment, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled under foot?' Brenton Septuagint Translation And I heard one saint speaking, and a saint said to a certain one speaking, How long shall the vision continue, even the removal of the sacrifice, and the bringing in of the sin of desolation; and how long shall the sanctuary and host be trampled? Additional Translations ... Audio Bible Context Daniel's Vision of the Ram and the Goat…12And in the rebellion, the host and the daily sacrifice were given over to the horn, and it flung truth to the ground and prospered in whatever it did. 13Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, “How long until the fulfillment of the vision of the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, and the surrender of the sanctuary and of the host to be trampled?” 14He said to me, “It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be properly restored.”… Cross References Revelation 11:2-3 But exclude the courtyard outside the temple. Do not measure it, because it has been given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for 42 months. / And I will empower my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where God had prepared a place for her to be nourished for 1,260 days. Revelation 13:5-7 The beast was given a mouth to speak arrogant and blasphemous words, and authority to act for 42 months. / And the beast opened its mouth to speak blasphemies against God and to slander His name and His tabernacle—those who dwell in heaven. / Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation. Matthew 24:15 So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), Revelation 6:9-11 And when the Lamb opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony they had upheld. / And they cried out in a loud voice, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge those who dwell upon the earth and avenge our blood?” / Then each of them was given a white robe and told to rest a little while longer until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers, were killed, just as they had been killed. Revelation 17:6 I could see that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints and witnesses for Jesus. And I was utterly amazed at the sight of her. Revelation 19:2 For His judgments are true and just. He has judged the great prostitute who corrupted the earth with her immorality. He has avenged the blood of His servants that was poured out by her hand.” Matthew 24:21 For at that time there will be great tribulation, unseen from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. Revelation 7:14 “Sir,” I answered, “you know.” So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 14:12 Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints, who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. Daniel 12:11 And from the time the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation set up, there will be 1,290 days. Daniel 9:27 And he will confirm a covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of the temple will come the abomination that causes desolation, until the decreed destruction is poured out upon him.” Daniel 11:31 His forces will rise up and desecrate the temple fortress. They will abolish the daily sacrifice and set up the abomination of desolation. Zechariah 1:12 Then the angel of the LORD said, “How long, O LORD of Hosts, will You withhold mercy from Jerusalem and the cities of Judah, with which You have been angry these seventy years?” Isaiah 63:18 For a short while Your people possessed Your holy place, but our enemies have trampled Your sanctuary. Treasury of Scripture Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said to that certain saint which spoke, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? one saint. Daniel 4:13 I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven; Daniel 7:16 I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things. Daniel 12:5,6 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river… that certain saint. Judges 13:18 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret? Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. How. Daniel 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? Psalm 74:9 We see not our signs: there is no more any prophet: neither is there among us any that knoweth how long. Psalm 79:5 How long, LORD? wilt thou be angry for ever? shall thy jealousy burn like fire? the vision. Daniel 8:11,12 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down… and the. Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. of desolation. Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. Jump to Previous Appalment Army Burnt Causes Continual Daily Desolate Disobedience Foot Heard Holy Makes Offering Sacrifice Saint Sanctuary Speaking Transgression Trodden VisionJump to Next Appalment Army Burnt Causes Continual Daily Desolate Disobedience Foot Heard Holy Makes Offering Sacrifice Saint Sanctuary Speaking Transgression Trodden VisionDaniel 8 1. Daniel's vision of the ram and he goat.13. The two thousand three hundred days of the suspension of the daily sacrifice. 15. Gabriel comforts Daniel, and interprets the vision. Then I heard a holy one speaking This phrase introduces a celestial being, likely an angel, engaging in conversation. In the context of Daniel, angels often serve as messengers or interpreters of divine visions. The presence of a "holy one" underscores the sacred nature of the vision and its interpretation. Angels are frequently depicted in Scripture as God's messengers, as seen in Daniel 9:21 and Luke 1:19. and another holy one said to him “How long until the fulfillment of the vision of the daily sacrifice the rebellion that causes desolation and the surrender of the sanctuary and of the host to be trampled?” Persons / Places / Events 1. Holy OnesThese are likely angelic beings, possibly Gabriel and another unnamed angel, who are discussing the vision given to Daniel. Their conversation highlights the divine interest and involvement in the unfolding of prophetic events. 2. Vision The vision refers to the prophetic revelation given to Daniel, which includes the cessation of the regular sacrifice and the desecration of the sanctuary. 3. Regular Sacrifice This is the daily offering made in the Jewish temple, which is central to the worship practices of Israel. Its cessation signifies a major disruption in religious life. 4. Transgression that Causes Desolation This phrase refers to a significant sin or rebellion that leads to the desecration of the temple, often associated with the actions of Antiochus IV Epiphanes, a historical figure who desecrated the Jewish temple. 5. Sanctuary and Host The sanctuary is the holy place of worship, and the host likely refers to the people of God or the angelic forces associated with them. Both are subjected to being "trampled," indicating persecution and desecration. Teaching Points Understanding Prophetic TimelinesRecognize that God's prophetic timeline is precise and purposeful. The question "How long?" reflects a desire to understand God's timing and plan. The Impact of Sin The "transgression that causes desolation" serves as a warning about the severe consequences of sin and rebellion against God. Perseverance in Faith Despite the trampling of the sanctuary and host, believers are called to remain steadfast in their faith, trusting in God's ultimate plan for restoration. Divine Sovereignty The involvement of holy ones in the vision underscores God's sovereignty and control over historical and future events. Hope in Restoration Even in times of desolation and persecution, there is hope for restoration and renewal, as God's purposes will ultimately prevail.(13) One saint--i.e., an angel, who, however, has not been mentioned before. This part of the vision recalls Daniel 7:16. It is implied that the angels were conversing upon the subject of this awful revelation concerning the future of God's people. Only a portion of what they said is here recorded. The vision.--The inquiry means, "How long shall be the duration of the object of this vision, so far as it has to do with the great apostasy?" Transgression of desolation.--Comp. Daniel 9:27. Probably these words mean the same as the "abomination that maketh desolate" (Daniel 11:31; Daniel 12:11; see 1 Maccabees 1:59). . . . Verse 13. - Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? Our Authorized rendering is clearly mistaken; it ought not to be "saint," but "holy one," as in the Revised Version. The versions leave palmoni, "a certain one," untranslated. Fust's suggestion, held also by Behrmann, is that this is a contraction for paloni almoni. The renderings of the versions are worthy of note. The LXX., "And I heard one holy one speaking, and another holy one said to Phehnouni who spoke, How long shall the vision stand, and the removed sacrifice, and the sin of desolation given, and the holy place be desolate to be trodden underfoot (εἰς καταπάτημα)?" Here the word στήσεται, "shall stand," is supposed by Professor Bevan to be an addition by one who did not fully comprehend the sentence. Following Gratz, Professor Bevan suggests a word, מוּרָם (mooram), "removed," to explain the presence of ἡ ἀρθεῖσα - a suggestion that appears well-founded. His further suggestion, that sim (שִׂם), "to set up," has been read instead of shomaym (שֹׁמֵם), must be due to inattention to the Greek. In it there is nothing about "set up," unless he transfers στήσεται from its place in the beginning of the sentence to the middle, and changes it to the active voice. Equally extraordinary is the suggestion that the translators read יצבא, instead of וצבא. The truth is, the introduction of ἐρημωθήσεται is probably due to a gloss or a confluence of readings. Theodotion is in close agreement with the Septuagint, save in the last clause, which he renders, "And the sanctuary and the power be trodden underfoot." The Peshitta is closer to the Massoretic, "And I heard a holy one who spake, and a holy one said to palmoni, who spake, When shall the vision of the perpetuity (daily sacrifice?), and of sin and of corruption be completed, and the holy place and the host be trodden underfoot?" The translators must have read shahata instead of shomaym. "Completed," nesh-tlem, may have been added, as στήσεται in the Greek, but the fact that all the versions have a word not represented in the Massoretic would indicate the probability that something has dropped out. Some part of the verb שׂוּם is suggested by the Greek Version, whereas some portion of שָׁלַם is suggested by the Peshitta. Daniel hears one of those watching angels who desire to look into the evolution of the Divine purpose concerning man and his salvation, asking another, "How long shall be the desolation of Jerusalem under Epiphanes?" The irregular construction here suggests corruption. We would render the speech of the angel, "How long - the vision, the sacrifice - the sin of desolation to give the sanctuary and the service to be trodden underfoot?" as if Daniel had only heard snatches of what was said; we would, we may say, omit the "and" before "sanctuary." The Septuagint translators may have omitted צָבָא (tzaba), thinking only of its ordinary meaning, "host," forgetful of the fact that it is used of the temple service in Numbers 4:23. These angels are most interested in the length of time that the sanctuary shall remain desolate. This may indicate that it was evident, from the vision, that the period of desolation was a limited one. The scene presented to the imagination is striking. The seer, as he gazes on the vision appearing to him over the marsh at Susa, hears angelic voices that direct attention to what was most important to him and to his people. To the Israelites of the period of the Maccabees, the length of time that the temple service would be in abeyance was of the highest importance. It was well that they should know that the time was shortened for the elect's sake.Parallel Commentaries ... Hebrew Then I heardוָאֶשְׁמְעָ֥ה (wā·’eš·mə·‘āh) Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - first person common singular | third person feminine singular Strong's 8085: To hear intelligently a אֶֽחָד־ (’e·ḥāḏ-) Number - masculine singular Strong's 259: United, one, first holy one קָד֖וֹשׁ (qā·ḏō·wōš) Adjective - masculine singular Strong's 6918: Sacred, God, an angel, a saint, a sanctuary speaking, מְדַבֵּ֑ר (mə·ḏab·bêr) Verb - Piel - Participle - masculine singular Strong's 1696: To arrange, to speak, to subdue and another אֶחָ֨ד (’e·ḥāḏ) Number - masculine singular Strong's 259: United, one, first holy קָד֜וֹשׁ (qā·ḏō·wōš) Adjective - masculine singular Strong's 6918: Sacred, God, an angel, a saint, a sanctuary one said וַיֹּאמֶר֩ (way·yō·mer) Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular Strong's 559: To utter, say to [him], הַֽמְדַבֵּ֗ר (ham·ḏab·bêr) Article | Verb - Piel - Participle - masculine singular Strong's 1696: To arrange, to speak, to subdue “How עַד־ (‘aḏ-) Preposition Strong's 5704: As far as, even to, up to, until, while long [until the fulfillment of] מָתַ֞י (mā·ṯay) Interrogative Strong's 4970: Extent, when the vision הֶחָז֤וֹן (he·ḥā·zō·wn) Article | Noun - masculine singular Strong's 2377: A sight, a dream, revelation, oracle of the daily sacrifice, הַתָּמִיד֙ (hat·tā·mîḏ) Article | Adverb Strong's 8548: Continuance, constant, ellipt, the regular, sacrifice the rebellion וְהַפֶּ֣שַׁע (wə·hap·pe·ša‘) Conjunctive waw, Article | Noun - masculine singular Strong's 6588: Transgression that causes desolation, שֹׁמֵ֔ם (šō·mêm) Verb - Qal - Participle - masculine singular Strong's 8074: To stun, devastate, stupefy and the surrender תֵּ֛ת (têṯ) Verb - Qal - Infinitive construct Strong's 5414: To give, put, set of the sanctuary וְקֹ֥דֶשׁ (wə·qō·ḏeš) Conjunctive waw | Noun - masculine singular Strong's 6944: A sacred place, thing, sanctity and of the host וְצָבָ֖א (wə·ṣā·ḇā) Conjunctive waw | Noun - common singular Strong's 6635: A mass of persons, reg, organized for, war, a campaign to be trampled?” מִרְמָֽס׃ (mir·mās) Noun - masculine singular Strong's 4823: Trampling place, trampling Links Daniel 8:13 NIVDaniel 8:13 NLT Daniel 8:13 ESV Daniel 8:13 NASB Daniel 8:13 KJV Daniel 8:13 BibleApps.com Daniel 8:13 Biblia Paralela Daniel 8:13 Chinese Bible Daniel 8:13 French Bible Daniel 8:13 Catholic Bible OT Prophets: Daniel 8:13 Then I heard a holy one speaking (Dan. 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